Saturday, December 20, 2008

Debunking the myths

This photograph was taken in 2006 on an intensive livestock farm in Canada.
Notice the windows, the bedding, and the snoozing, contented sows.


From peta factsheet
"Factory Farming: Mechanized Madness"


The green pastures and idyllic barnyard scenes of years past, which are still portrayed in children’s books, have been replaced by windowless metal sheds, wire cages, gestation crates, and other confinement systems—what is now known as “factory farming.”

Well peta you hit the nail on the head there "portrayed in children’s books" is exactly where the "green pastures and idyllic barnyard scenes" exist because they never did exist in real life.

Prior to the advancements in technology and the need, driven by an ever increasing population, farming was a very risky business for humans and animals alike. Animals lived in cold draughty buildings or outdoors where they were subject to cold or heat, wind and rain, to predators, and every disease known that blew in with the wind or on visiting animals, humans or vehicles.



Farmed animals have no federal legal protection from horrific abuses that would be illegal if they were inflicted on dogs or cats: neglect, mutilations and drug regimens that cause chronic pain and crippling, transport through all weather extremes, and inhumane slaughter. Yet farmed animals are no less sensitive, intelligent, or capable of feeling pain than are the dogs or cats whom we cherish as companions.

Horrific abuses? Mutilations? Drug regimens? Chronic pain and crippling?

And these things benefit the producer in what way exactly?


Deprivation and Disease
The factory-farming system of modern agriculture strives to produce the most meat, milk, and eggs as quickly and cheaply as possible—and in the smallest amount of space possible.

And guess what? By using the smallest amount of space we achieve the following benefits to society:

Affordable meat products
Affordable poultry products
Better standards of health and care for the animals (compared to pre 1960 farming methods)
Better working conditions for the stockman (compared to pre 1960 farming methods)
More land available for wildlife/human recreation than there would be with less intensive farming methods.
The virtual certainty that global famine will never happen.


Cows, calves, pigs, chickens, turkeys, ducks, geese, rabbits, and other animals are kept in small cages or stalls, where they are often unable to turn around.

Pigs in some countries are sometimes kept in gestation crates. Layer chickens are sometimes kept in battery cages. Veal calves are kept individually, usually in small huts with an outside area. Rabbits are usually kept in cages.

As for the other animals? Tut,tut,tut, peta. Methinks you exagerate to gain effect.



They are deprived of exercise so that all their energy goes toward producing flesh, eggs, or milk for human consumption. They are fed drugs that fatten them faster, and they are genetically manipulated to grow faster or produce much more milk or eggs than they would naturally.

Oh dear peta, you do come up with some rubbish. Where do you get it from? inbred's warped brain?

Intensively farmed livestock are not fed drugs to fatten them faster. They are fed good, wholesome food that is very expensive. Diets are carefully formulated to meet the needs of the animal. Feeds contain primarily wheat and barley, supplemented with whatever else may be available, such as pulses.



genetically manipulated to grow faster or produce much more milk or eggs than they would naturally?

God give me strength! No. Animals produce the amount of milk, meat or eggs that they produce because the poor producing animals are culled out. There's nothing new about this, its been going on for thousands of years. Farmers have always selected their best animals to produce the next generation.

7 comments:

Bea Elliott said...

Here's a bit of truth for you: man does not need *meat* or any animal products to live. All the *nice* farms are totally unnecessary. As are the slaughterhouses - unnecessary... All the suffering, all the pain... all the killing is for nothing. Else how would millions of us be living without animal products? We are Vegan - showing the world that it can be done... I call killing innocent beings for no purpose "murder" - what about you?

Anonymous said...

Bea, the majority of farmers do care about their animals. Abuse ruins the quality of the meat, milk, and eggs. Plus, it isn't good production value. Just because someone eats meat doesn't mean they condone animal cruelty or are murderers. That's completely unfair to call them that. If you don't want to eat meat, that's fine. Don't force your opinion on people. It isn't fair. This is America, and we have a right to disagree with you. If you don't like it, then that's tough. By the way, poorly planned vegan and vegetarian diets can be just as damaging as poorly planned omnivorous diets. In addition, I hate to burst your bubble, but animals aren't as innocent as you think. Cows and pigs will bite and trample the farmers who care for them. Chickens will peck one another to death, whether wild or domestic. Some animals hunt their own prey for sport. Chimpanzees will even torture animals they catch. Wolves eat their prey while it's still alive, and killer whales kill porpoises because they are annoyed with them or for fun. Plus, the majority of animal emotions run on instinct for most species. For example, a tigress is loving and nurturing toward her cubs, teaching them to hunt and find food. After three years of care, she leaves them, permanently severing her bond with them. She won't come to their rescue if they find themselves in trouble as adults. In fact, she wouldn't recognize them if she encountered them. The notion of all animals having families is fantasy. Most species leave their offspring before they are born or once they can fend for themselves. Very few species have lifelong bonds with their offspring. That's something many animal rights activists can't seem to grasp. Call me an ignorant redneck with no compassion for animals. I don't care. What I've said about nature is true, and it can't be changed.

Bea Elliott said...

Farmers "care" about their animals only to the extent that it will make them a "profit"...

If it was discovered that cutting off the left leg of every (live) pig somehow enhanced the meat or increased "production" - I have no doubt the industry would somehow justify the practice. "Anything" to feed a "hungry" nation right?

Animals are "innocent" in that they cause us no "deliberate" harm. And if they kill and eat each other... that is in their nature - they know no other way. Man however can reason and "chooses" to cause suffering "needlessly".

Eating meat (killing animals) is an "option" not a "necessity". It is an option that exists only because we refuse to give animals "moral consideration"... and because it is "profitable".

We say killing animals is "okay" - But only if it's "necessary"... Of course, that's the myth because it's not "necessary" at all. That's what keeps animals in the perputal hell of "property". As long as we are making money from their flesh we will continue to find a "need" to do so.

First we say we are a "higher" species because we can reason and we have a "soul"... then we kill (innocent) animals because they don't possess these attributes.

So which is it? Are they ours to use because they do not have the ability to experience "compassion" for "others"? Or are they ours to use (kill) because we *do* have "compassion" for "others"?

You say: "This is America and we have a right to disagree with you"... Of course you do - 200 years ago slave owners disagreed with those who saw and exposed the injustice... The next hundred years should be an enlightened period for such critical thought and debate.

I have every hope that man will eventually venture out of the primitive cave which is responsible for needless suffering. I have hope that man will someday end the "unnecessary" killing of all living beings.

"Peace" begins by what's on your plate... Happy Holidays.

Anonymous said...

Bea, I know you never said this, so I'll tell you something. I don't have any problem with vegetarians or vegans, but when they start forcing their views on people, like you're doing now, that's when I get mad. Just because I don't agree with your vegan stance doesn't mean I don't care about animals. I do care about them very much. The owner of this blog does too, as he seems to have great knowledge on farm animals. In my view, eating meat isn't wrong, and you need to respect that, whether you agree with it or not. It isn't fair for you to force your opinion on me or anyone else. All it shows is how arrogant you are.

Farmers bend their backs over to care for their animals, as it isn't easy. It requires a love for them and a willingness to do hard work over long hours with little pay, as farmers don't get paid a lot for the animals they raise. Also, the weather can make things difficult for them, but that doesn't mean they don't care. It can be very hard to care for many animals on a farm, so a farmer hires employees to help out. When abuse does happen on a farm, it's usually because an employee is ignorant in his knowledge of caring for the animals. Sometimes, he could be stressed and takes it out on the animals. These incidents are few and far between. What good does abuse do to the end product? All it does is ruin it, and poor quality meat, milk, and eggs are known to taste terrible.

About animals being innocent, they will attack people for no reason at all sometimes, and one who works with animals needs to be aware at all times, especially farmers. The carnivores won't hesitate to eat you if they're really hungry, and I am threatening you here. I am stating a little fact. Farmers continue to work with their animals, even after they've been trampled, stepped on, urinated on, and bitten. Some of them have even ended up in the hospital with multiple injuries from farming, yet they continue to go back to their animals and work them because they love them. I never said anything about humans being a higher species. Just because I eat meat doesn't mean I'm primitive. You shouldn't judge people because they don't agree with you. By the way, if all livestock farms were to close, where would the animals go? They can't survive in the wild because they're domesticated. You never thought about that, did you? Let me leave you this little comment. Don't force your opinions down my throat. I'm not doing that to you. If you can't respect my opinions, then I have nothing more to say to you.

Anonymous said...

Bea, on that sentence about animals not hesitating to eat people if they're hungry, I meant to say I am not threatening you here. I am simply stating a fact about that.

Bea Elliott said...

Hello Anonymous - First, thank you for not having anything against
"vegetarianism or veganism"... Some people I have spoken with do... They always seem to bring up the fact that I am "murdering" plants and vegetables. It's decent of you to not remind me of this.

Please define "forcing", as in: "forcing my views on people". This is an "open forum" and the host of the blog is free to select which comments to post or not. There is no "force" here.

I have an opinion of what "force" is though... Picture this: you are opposed to cruelty to animals - You wake in morning, turn on your t.v. and before 20 minutes are over you've been subjected to 5 commercials from different establishments about their meat "foods"... You retrieve your
paper - out slips the inserts... each with a different animal carcass for "on sale"... (If you don't eat the stuff, believe me... the sight of *meat* - can be unpleasant...) You get in your car - and drive a few blocks
passing a milk tank and 3 "burger joints" - Turn down the highway and spot a field of grazing cows with a billboard that says "Beef it's what's for dinner"... Of course these billboards and others of the same ilk, go on for as many miles as you travel... And finally your child comes home
from school having only eaten only fries and applesauce - as everything else at the cafeteria had meat or dairy in it... So really - where is the "force" you are speaking of? And to whom?

If you could only allow yourself to observe a reality from the view
point that sees animal killing as cruel and unnecessary, you'll see the "force" is entirely from your vantage.

Vegans have just started (a quiet) whisper on a very delicate topic... which is supported only by the lack of (urgent)discussion... A topic
which lacks information... and lacks "social acceptance". You see, as long as the Smiths are buying and eating animal parts - the Jones may do so as well. This "accepted norm" exists because the subject of *not
eating animals* is rarely brought up... As long as the neighborhood of Jones & Smiths accept and mirror each others habits - all is well. BUT - once the Vegan family moves next door - the Vegan family shatters the illusion that *eating animals* is "necessary" to live. (and we've already established that nice people only kill animals when "necessary")...(to live).

Therefore it is simply enough that Vegans and vegetarians exist for most people to feel angst... Just the presence of a Vegan reminds people that there is a "choice"... It may stir an underlying conflict which now must be resolved? (or ignored?)

I don't intend to present myself as "better" because I live on a plant based diet... However, I believe that most omnivores are such, not by "choice"; but of "habit"... The habit of indoctrination. These animal eating habits permiates our culture. I can think of dozens of ways parents deceive
children about eating animals... The Smith and Jones parents preserve and pass on the myth that "it's necessary". We accept that it's all "okay" somehow... But there really never was a "conscious choice" by an omnivore at all... Choice requires thought - "tradition" negates and avoids the need for thought. We just do what "everyone else does".

Vegans in contrast, are made from the effort it takes to question
authority, tradition and mainstream culture... You just don't wake up one morning and decide "go Vegan"... It is a process that requires
examination and (self)judgement. It requires the work of critical
thinking... Really, it's much easier (if your so inclined) to huddle in the comfort of common scripts... The Smiths and Jones allow for safe haven... and in this way eating meat is "primitive" because it lacks
contemporary evaluation and knowledge... There is no progress in what is sustainable or "ethical"...

And in answer to your other points about farmers being urinated on and physically harmed by animals. Did you ever think they do not like being man-handled? That they are beasts that should never have been born - or that belong somewhere else besides
where they are "forced" to be? That they don't like their skin to be punctured with tags and needles, or branded, or they don't like their genitals or body parts removed...Or they don't like not being able to move beyond the confines of where they are placed? Just asking - (?)

But of course I'm sure you don't see any "force" here. Our words have entirely different meanings... such as your definition of "love".

You call the care for farmed animals "love". Love requires "protection
from harm"... When that which is "loved" is injured or destroyed... there is great loss and grief - That's love...

The "love" of "farmed food animals" however is limited to the time it takes to get said "loved" animals to the slaughterhouse...(for profit). Then - the "love" goes... where??? Into the new batch of "loved" units I presume(?)...

To call "livestock" loved" insults us all.

Finally, "if all livestock farms were to close, where would the animals go?" That's simple... this process of eliminating animal agriculture will not happen "overnight". A huge cultural shift will occur over time. Animal products will be desired less and less - replaced with (compassionate and healthy) alternatives. (Remember the
Vegan family? They're doing it)... Animal enterprises will begin to limit (and eventually) cease breeding these "food" beings. The demand will no longer be there and the rest of the animals would live out their "full lives" on rescue farms and sanctuaries. Worrying about what will happen to the animals in this eventuality is the least of our troubles for now...

Anonymous said...

Bea, I guess I went a little too far, didn't I? I'm sorry about that. Anyway, I can leave you with one wise thought. What may be cruel to you may not be cruel to someone else. To me, eating meat isn't cruel, and in my view, most farmers do take care of their animals very well to ensure the end product isn't ruined. Livestock farming has never been glamorous because bad weather can make it difficult to get to the animals, or disease can run rampant, even if the animals are taken care of. It can also be dangerous because the animals could be spooked and start trampling people. Only the ones who abuse the animals are cruel. You don't have to believe me, but people who abuse a farmer's animals aren't employed under him for very long. When he becomes aware of an employee abusing his animals, he fires him. That's all I need to say.